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Interpreter Radio Show — July 9, 2023

Martin Tanner

John Gee

Kevin Christensen

Ronald K. Esplin


In this episode of The Interpreter Radio Show, our hosts are Martin Tanner, John Gee, and Kevin Christensen. They discuss Come, Follow Me New Testament lesson 32, Jeremy Runnells and John Dehlin‘s claim that “second sight” means “imagination”, and the article this week by John Gee. They are then joined by Ron Esplin to discuss his new Brigham Young Papers Project and the first volume, which will be published in August. You can listen to or download the July 9th broadcast of the Interpreter Radio Show below. These audio tracks are also included in our podcast feed (

The “New Testament in Context” portion of this show, for the Come, Follow Me New Testament lesson 32, “A Minister and a Witness,” covering Acts 22–28, will also be posted separately on Tuesday, July 25.

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Original air date: July 9, 2023. These recording have been edited to remove commercial breaks.

The New Testament in Context Lesson 32: “A Minister and a Witness” covering Acts 22–28
Restoration Advocacy: Jeremy Runnells and John Dehlin claim BoM witnesses use of the phrase “second sight” means “imagination.” We explain why that cannot be true, and how important evidence contradicting the “imagination” idea is intentionally omitted by Dehlin and Runnells.

Discussion: John Gee’s July 7th Interpreter article on the importance of the word “nevertheless” in the BoM. Guest Ron Esplin, managing director of the Joseph Smith Papers project discusses his new Brigham Young Papers Project and the first volume, which will be published in August.

The Interpreter Radio Show is a weekly discussion of matters of interest to the hosts, guests, and callers of the show. The views expressed on the Interpreter Radio Show are those of the individuals involved and do not necessarily reflect the views of the Interpreter Foundation, nor should statements made on the show be construed as official doctrinal statements of the Church.


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